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no hate here but it just sounds like the existence of the role of a PA is an excuse to avoid training more doctors 🤷‍♂

I’m a student and a vip bartender and I make more an hour 🥹

What's wrong with doctors? Even in USA doctors I hear they do not like the Doctorate Nursing Practice DNP. They forget that A mathematicians or psychologists they can be called doctors if the individual achieved a doctorate degree.

i can't afford to do a masters, and i've been applying for medical lab assistant jobs with no luck, what other positions can i apply to as a biomed grad (non-accredited)?

for some reason i cant find ali abdaals course for anki on skill share

Can we study biomedical at any clg then can we eligible for medicne

Thanks for the information. I'm 24 and graduated from microbiology. Considering to enter medical school and this video is truly a light.

Locum market is dying mate for shos, I've done sho locum years and reg locum years. I'd strongly suggest taking time out once you've completed core.

It is harder for you to get onto a training post because of the overseas trained doctors who are being brought to the UK

PAs have a science background not history or arts

An analogous resentment exists with BEng engineers 'hating' plumbers and installation/repair-technicians calling themselves 'engineers' and making a better, less stressful, living in some cases. So I find it ironic, and understandable, that some engineers becoming PAs creates an analogous resentment from doctors. But at least doctors maintain their professional title and status.

Safety is London is the only point I would disagree with. I’ve seen lots of crime in London. I would say 2.5 stars it’s quite dangerous.

But about taxes ..😢?

I think in the United States on a flight it is better not to accept any offers gifts upgrades because of possibility litigation legal issues

I think hate is a strong word ... more like envy ..

PA is a cheap and unsafe replacement for the Qualified Drs. They have No Governing Body, they have No Appraisals, if they make mistake - then Senior Dr on shift or in GP Practice is at fault and prosecuted by GMC. As they are Not under GMC- then technically and legally by default the PA cannot be prosecuted or suspended, and Practice or Hospital will struggle to get rid of PA as they will claim endlessly "unfair dismyssal" card. PA is the END of NHS. I would live to have Physician Assistant who would type my notes and referrals and would physically take bloods from patient and later will show results to me so I can check them before the end of the work day.. I need Physician Assistant and do Not need Physician Associate.

After completing biomedical degree if i want to entry into medicine than what will be the total cost for medicine degree? As i m a international student

14 POUNDS???????

Doctors have much better progression, PAs are permenantly capped at band 7

I work as a registered Biomedical Scientist in the NHS and I really enjoy my job. Very different process to medicine but we always have the patient in mind. My salary is ok, I’ve been qualified 2 years and last year with overtime and on-call payments I earned almost 40k. The money isn’t the be all and end all for me, I’m in it for the patients 😊

In undergrad, in the United States, you have to take science core classes for the PA program. Chemistry biology anatomy statistics and some higher science course's like biochemistry upper level

As a doctor maybe you can answer this question. A doctor and/ or nurse, etc job is to help people regardless of age, colour or gender, etc. Some of these people specialise in an area. Why do some doctors/ nurses choose to work with children only? When a their job is to help PEOPLE? I can understand not wanting to work in a different area, but why would they refuse to work with adults in their area. How is a child with let's say diabetes any different to an adult? The care might be different but the initial problem is the same for both.

As a current student I can testify that NO, best quality isn't even remotely their priority. What you pay is worth half of the money you spend if not less. And those who aren't wealthy, are happily thrown to the curb. Moreover, bear in mind that whatever fee you see now will increase almost twice yearly. And the contents of lessons will not improve. Administrative staff will drive you nuts, and if they make any mistakes you'll be the one paying. I'm getting out of there ASAO. Not to mention that, unless THEY really like you or you are an expert brown nose, irrespective of how good you are, your grades will be affected and won't ever see a distinction. On the other hand, if you are white and/ or wealthy you'll see distinctions coming at you like tennis balls.

Doctors don't make mistakes?

Physican Assistant...

I've just been rejected on a gap year after 4 interviews so I have to take another gap year lol

Ex nurse and current patient who GP describes as a "complex case". I refuse to be seen by a PA instead of a GP. I have multiple conditions including a rare one, and there's no way a PA could safely diagnose me. I did once have an appointment with a PA who i thought was a doctor training to be a GP. Luckily for me she did ask the GP for advice, but her lack of quite basic knowledge was concerning.

If a doctor hates a PA… there is something wrong with the doctor. The person doing the hate is always in the wrong. Its a healthcare team now not a dr only team. Doctors that have this thinking are horrible to work with or upset they did a bunch of schooling and people are not kissing their feet like the old days. There is a reason a Pa education is popular and why the 2024 match had a bunch of open spots left lol.

Please have a look at the job market right now for FY3s, it is not the same as it was when I was an FY3 (good 5 years ago). Have a look at JCF roles being taken up left right and centre, I would hedge your bets to either save a tonne now as an FY2 if you want to chance it with locumming or start applying for jobs now. I would have a look at Australia as well in all honesty (not as much admin burden costs as a fresh PGY unlike me as a GP who would be looking at around minimum 10k in costs to transfer my qualifications). I am so sorry that the job market is so shit for you right now, FY3 (and 4) were some of my best years and allowed me time to be me. I am just looking out for you, and the realities of the job market right now. All the best xxx

We have PAs and NPs here and now nurses can get a DNP, doctor of nursing practice. What bothers me are chiropractors calling themselves chiropractic physicians

Is it a hard degree ?

Going to be 24 🙂i already feel its too late to start medicine

PA's are just fine for treating minor everyday ailments. Once you cross over into a chronic disease state like diabetes, forget about it! I find it to be extremely dangerous!

Thanks,Im a premed after Covid furlough .I was in college before in the 90s electronic engineering.I never really thought about proper grooming since NYC everybody is so buisy and nobody pays attention to those things I thought.

Aren’t doctors paid like 2-3 times the amount PAs are paid once they complete residency?

The same type of problems exist here in the USA with the PA/NP dispute and the residents or training doctors pay/treatment/responsibilities. Leaving the NHS for the USA at least isn't better or the grass really is greener on the other side.

I see many other videos like this and even though author says, im not biased, some statements blur the line as such.. Here in the US.. Both PAs (physician assistant/associate student) and Medical students have the same prerequisites to entire their program. Both can have a art degree or a science degree as long as they meet science prerequisites. Both are very competitive to get into.. (PA schools require prior health care experience, Medical schools may require research or community service etc.) Medical school is 3 to 4 yrs (3 yrs for accelerated tracts in GP/IM, OBGYN, Pediatrics and psychiatry which are growing in numbers).. PA schools take approx 2 to 3yrs the work force as a general practioner with the ability to specialize in any area.. Notably: PA schools are accelerated with only 1-2 wks break in between semesters.. thats what makes it 2 to 3yrs long.. The same for 3yr accelerated Medical school programs vs the traditional 4yr medical school programs which have considerable more breaks especially in the 4th year which can be used for research or subinternships and interviews for residences At the end of both programs, both PAs and medical students are GPs.. YOUR TRAINING DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL RESIDENCY.. Residency training ranging from 3yrs for Family medicine or IM or EM to 8yrs for Neurosurgery.. PAs don't have residences and entire the workforce with limted knowledge with the expectation to grow that clinical knowledge and expertise overtime within their specialities.. Both newly minted PA snd residents are and should be supervised. As both gain more clinical knowledge, the more autonomy is given.. I don't believe a PA thats has been working the same specialty for the past 5 to 10yrs (except for the surgical specialities) should be supervised or micromanaged just as much as a resident who trains for 3 yrs is no longer managed after their 3yrs..

Dr kenji, do you proof read essays thesedays, if so how does it work?

First of all, the title is part of the problem. First it was physician assistant. Now they are trying to change it to physician associate, already blurring the lines and confusing patients. Next they will want to be called physician. No thanks. I’ll just call them midlevels if they gonna be like that.

I know nothing about medicine. But I have read around this subject. I wonder why the government decided to start the PA’s on such a high salary, knowing how little doctors are paid. Some people have asked in the comments section that we should be asking why doctors are paid so low rather than questioning the higher wage of PA’s. But doctors came before PAs so the question really should be the other way round. As I said, why is the pay for PA’s so high when the responsible bodies know that doctors are paid a lot less? What does that say about the value placed in GPs versus the value being placed in GPs. And why are they making the PA role more desirable than the GP role based solely on pay?

Doctors in the US are paid way better. I make more than this running an applebees. Thats crazy

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When i’ll start working as a doctor, i’m scared of that exact situation u described. a PA pressuring me to perform tasks they legally cannot, perhaps with the justification of “it’s what the consultant ordered”. Does anyone have experience with handling that type of situation? I would solve this by calling the consultant to clarify and to state that i’m not comfortable signing stuff for patients i haven’t seen particularly bc of my lack of experience. But i’m worried that this could ruffle some feathers as in the PA being upset bc they think i don’t trust their judgement and my other colleagues thinking i’m miss self-important.

UK PAs are vastly different than US PAs. Way different scope of practice and training. PA training programs in the US are very robust and prepare the PA for high level acuity practice. As a PA in the US I can practice in any specialty. Further, we have NCCPA and AAPA governing bodies and board certifications in place. It sounds like the UK has a lot of growing to do if they want the PA career to grow.

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It’s simple. The healthcare landscape has already begun to shift in the last 10 years towards use of APPs and less use of physicians. This happened as private equity begun to take over hospitals, urgent care clinics and ERs. The good old days are over.

It’s not physicians associates it’s physicians assistants

thanks for sharing! what are your thoughts on balancing research and practice / studying?

why are don't doctor always demanding pay rises? There are so many other staff in the NHS who work just as hard or if not harder than doctors. I think nurses, PAs, HCA and Physios should be paid as much as doctors if not more.

PAs rebranding to "associates" instead of "assistant" is a deliberate attempt by PA accrediting bodies to blur the line and create confusion for patients. if I was a patient and knew nothing about healthcare and I saw "physician associate" i'd assume I'm seeing a doctor. but I'm not. The idea is to create the impression that they are doctors, are doing doctor work, and should therefore be compensated similarly to doctors. they're trying to shortcut the process to become a physician. everybody want to be a doctor but nobody wants to lift no heavy ass books. I don't hate PAs, and I think PAs have a critical and vital role in healthcare. in fact I know plenty of knowledgeable and great PAs. but PAs should not overstretch their practicing rights and do things that their training does not prepare them for. this isn't a matter of ego or me hating on midlevels. it's a matter of safety for patients. I hold the same view with regards to NPs, which is arguably an even greater problem than PAs, especially here in the US. Their training has no standards, where fresh grads lack the very minimal competencies to deliver bread and butter care. i highly recommended the youtube channel "Patients at risk" on youtube for a more in depth discussion of why midlevel encroachment is insanely dangerous for patient safety overall